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Mindfulness Tools to Help Moms with Postpartum Anxiety | Kelly Smith EP 194

• Maranda Bower, Postpartum Nutrition Specialist

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Could Meditation Be the Key to Easing Postpartum Anxiety?

Postpartum anxiety can be relentless and exhausting, leaving countless mothers feeling overwhelmed and sleep-deprived. Maranda sits down with Kelly Smith, global yoga & meditation teacher, founder of Yoga For You, to explore  meditation as a practical tool for postpartum mental health. Kelly shares her personal journey through postpartum anxiety and dives deep into the science of how meditation calms the brain, helping us manage the endless cycle of “what if” thoughts. 

Kelly and Maranda  bust myths around traditional meditation, proving that mothers can find peace without needing a totally “clear mind.” Kelly uses relatable analogies and science-backed insights to explain how meditative practices can ease maternal stress and help moms navigate the demands of early motherhood. Plus, she shares realistic ways to bring meditation into your life, even if you're pressed for time. Small, consistent meditation practices can reshape the postpartum journey and make lasting impacts on mental health.


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KEY TIME STAMPS: 

04:01 — Meditation as a tool for postpartum anxiety relief & how it affects the brain’s stress response system

07:45 — Practical ways meditation changes the postpartum brain

10:22 — Meditation as a daily “micro habit” for mental resilience

12:06 — The trap of “meditating on fears” vs. meditating for calm

18:39 — Addressing the myth that meditation requires a blank mind

20:49 — Accessible meditation practices for busy moms

24:59 — Techniques like body scans and guided sessions

33:32 — Final words: Trusting yourself as the perfect mother for your child


Connect with Kelly:

Kelly Smith is a global yoga and meditation teacher, author, E-RYT 500/ YACEP, founder of Yoga For You, and the host of the iTunes chart-topping podcasts Mindful in Minutes and Meditation Mama. Kelly believes that there is no one-size-fits-all approach to yoga and meditation and encourages her students to find their own personal practice, listen to their bodies, and find inner joy by accessing their most authentic selves.

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Speaker 1:

The postpartum care system is failing, leaving countless mothers struggling with depression, anxiety and autoimmune conditions. I'm Miranda Bauer and I've helped thousands of providers use holistic care practices to heal their clients at the root. Subscribe now and join us in addressing what modern medicine overlooks, so that you can give your clients real, lasting solutions for lifelong wellbeing. Hello everyone, welcome to the Postpartum University Podcast.

Speaker 1:

Today I have Kelly Smith, who I'm meeting for the first time and literally we've been chatting for like 10 minutes beforehand. I am absolutely in love and I'm so glad she's here on the show with us. She is a global yoga and meditation teacher, author, founder of Yoga For you and the host of the iTunes chart-topping podcast Mindful in Minutes and Meditation. Mama Kelly believes that there is no one-size-fits all approach to yoga and meditation and she really encourages her students to find their own personal practice and listening to their bodies and finding inner joy by accessing the most authentic selves. And I have her here on the podcast because they have so many questions. We want to bust so many myths out there about all of the things related to meditation and yoga, like I feel like this is such a hot topic right now. So, kelly, first off, welcome. I'm so glad you're here.

Speaker 2:

Oh, thank you for having me and I. You know you get two podcasters in a room together and like we just can't stop talking.

Speaker 1:

That is so truthful Like this is.

Speaker 2:

This is a thing everyone Like it is a serious problem, especially two mom podcasters, like we've got stuff to talk about.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, we were literally just talking about laundry. We were, it's true. Yeah, you know it builds up, it never ends. It's a thing, y' it's. It's a thing, y'all it's a thing. Okay, kelly, I want to. I want to open this conversation. Like so many mamas are struggling with postpartum anxiety, depression, exhaustion. Tell us how does incorporating meditation and mindfulness techniques into motherhood really support relaxation and reduce those symptoms of depression and anxiety and exhaustion? Like, what does that look like? Are there stats for it? Like, give us all the things.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. So you know, the first thing that I want to do is say that things like postpartum anxiety, postpartum depression, even just whatever your postpartum experience is, first of all, a, that's valid, and B things like postpartum anxiety and depression don't discriminate. When I had my firstborn, I have two kids One is three, almost four, and then a one-year-old. So I have two postpartum experiences pretty fresh in my brain. The first one that I had was horrific. I was struggling so much and I understand the irony of a meditation teacher having such extreme postpartum anxiety, which I did that I didn't sleep for five days because I was so scared. And I had all the tools in my toolbox. I knew what I should be doing. I had been helping so many people through this for years and I got that right combination of hormones, of new fears, unlocked.

Speaker 2:

I basically had this anxiety that if I went to sleep, something like SIDS or something horrible was gonna happen to my son, and so I just didn't sleep. And it all culminated in a moment where some I like to think it was divine intervention. I think it also could have been postpartum psychosis. However, I like to spin it as divine intervention. But I remember I was standing over my son's bassinet and I was looking at him and I was just watching him sleep. It was the middle of the night, I wasn't sleeping it's like my fifth day of not doing this and I just felt this presence come in, this warm presence come in, and I just heard in my head again hearing voices. Could have been postpartum psychosis, but I heard this voice say it's okay, kelly, I'll take the night shift, you get some sleep and I'll see you in the morning. And there was something so comforting in that moment. I think it was a grandparent that has passed and was coming to support me, but there was just something in that moment that made me recognize this is not normal, isn't the right word. But like this isn't good. I've been up for five days petrified that something worst case scenario is gonna happen and I'm not sleeping, I'm not able to take care of myself. And that's what really set me down the road of specifically looking into how can meditation, even restorative yoga practices, things like that, how can we use that to support ourselves in this postpartum period? Because when I got pregnant with my second child, I knew I wanted a different experience. And I did have a very different experience because I utilized the tools in my toolbox and I had almost two years under my belt of looking into how can meditation help support us in that postpartum period, regardless of what your experience is, and there's a lot of really interesting stats on how meditation specifically changes your brain.

Speaker 2:

So we have our amygdala. I know a lot, I know you're familiar with this, a lot of your listeners are familiar with this, but the amygdala the pain, fear, worry center of the brain, the part of the brain that really kicks off that fight or flight reaction and mechanism. It can become more reactive, it can start reacting faster, it can get bigger, it can get enlarged and overactive as we are continually exposed to these stressors. And so that's when you get that right combination of sleep deprivation. Maybe we're already predisposed to some anxiety hormones, a major life change, like adding a child to your family, and it can kind of be that just that right cocktail of situations and before you know it, you're having one of these experiences or you're just having a hard time.

Speaker 2:

And so what happens with meditation specifically and really any kind of a calming practice, so we can put restorative yoga, yoga nidra, things like that into this? Is it actually in the moment? Decreases the activity in the amygdala and shifts the neurological activity to the prefrontal cortex, which helps with higher cognitive function, executive function, emotion regulation. And over time, usually after about eight weeks or so, your amygdala can begin to shrink and atrophy, where your prefrontal cortex can begin to get stronger and bigger, meaning you've rewired your brain to have smaller physiological responses to these stressors, smaller kind of fight or flight reactions and a greater ability for that executive functioning, that higher cognitive functioning and emotion regulation. And then so many things then fall into place.

Speaker 2:

Under that I mean our nervous system, that you know that all starts in the brain. Meditation is so great at calming the nervous system in the moment and then also helping it over time again by softening some of these fight or flight reactions. And I think that the big struggle when it comes to implementing things like this and I know we're probably going to get into it is one how do I do it? Or like I don't have time for it, and you know you're postpartum, you have this little baby, what you know now you want me to meditate, like you kidding, I'm just in survival mode. But the thing that I have looked into and also experienced for myself is that this meditation, being a little micro habit, is a thing that can have such a big impact on people, specifically in that postpartum period when you're, when you feel like you're in the thick of it and you're just surviving, like that's when you need it the most it's so, so true.

Speaker 1:

I and I just want to like say I see you so much in your own story and I see myself so much in your own story. I did not sleep for like a week straight and I remember one night, like going to bed or like trying to, and I was laying there and the curtains came alive and like they were literally like coming at me and I had to leave the room because it frightened the crap out of me and like that is. I knew that it was not okay. Right, I'm like literally seeing things, like hallucinating, but I knew it wasn't okay. So it's not necessarily psychosis, but I was so close and just to feel that like constant fear of what if my kid is not sleeping, or what if there's SIDS, or what if? What if he wakes up?

Speaker 1:

The moment I fall asleep, like there's so much anxiety and I almost felt like looking back of course, not in those moments that I'm, in a way, I was meditating on my anxieties. I was meditating on my fears because they're consistently coming up right, it's on repeat all the time, and so I was doing the opposite of what we're recommending here, obviously right, where meditation as a form of relaxation and supporting your overall mental and physical and spiritual wellbeing, versus meditating on your fears and your anxieties and then spiraling out of control. But I just want to bring that up. Like I feel we're in it so often, already doing a form of meditation, it's whether it's helpful or hurtful.

Speaker 2:

Wow, no one's ever put it that way and that just first of all. I got goosebumps when you told your story about the curtains, because so many people, if they themselves, can't relate to that story. I'm sure having practitioners, providers, all of that they've heard stories like that. It happens absolutely and that gave me goosebumps. But no one's ever described it as meditating on your fears and that resonates with me so deeply because meditation itself the definition is just single pointed concentration.

Speaker 2:

I describe it as if your mind's a light bulb. You're walking around every day, the light's on, it's shining in all directions. When you meditate, you're trying to turn that light bulb into a laser pointer and you point your laser at just one thing and you get to choose what that thing is. So often I talk about how that thing can be your breath, it could be a mantra, it could be sensations in your body through a body scan. But I've never thought about how, in those moments and you're exactly right You're doing that single point of concentration. You're just pointing your laser at the thing that you know, at the beast that is only growing, and I've always thought about it as a hamster on the wheel.

Speaker 2:

For me, anxiety is very I don't get a ton of necessarily physiological symptoms, but it's the thoughts, and it feels like that hamster that's running on the wheel, and the more it tries to get off by running faster it just spins even more, and the only way to stop it is to get off the wheel, and that's what I often think about it as. But what you said about meditating on your fear is like, probably like a week from now, I'll still be thinking about that one, because it's true and that's what it is. You're taking all of that mental power and you're fixating that laser onto one thing. It's just. That thing is your fear, or your thoughts, or your sensations, or your worries, and that's what you're focusing on.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, absolutely Like that. That just came to me when you were talking and I was like, like you mentioned specifically how women feel it's so hard to meditate, that it's so hard to like how am I supposed to do that? And I was like, wait a second, we already, we're already doing it. We're already inside our heads right, like we're this is already a thing. And so what if we're just shifting those thoughts?

Speaker 1:

And really that is the whole point behind meditation is reprogramming your brain, and in postpartum, your brain is already dramatically changing. Right, there's so many components and many of you already realize this. You know the gray matter of your brain shrinks like in. The neural pathways are being reprogrammed. You've got tons of new things going on and they're there to help you reconnect with your baby or connect deeper to your baby, to care for your baby and keep them safe so that we can continue on the generations of the human species. Right, like it's a biological normal for your brain to change, so why not change it for the better? And I know I'm like making that very, very easy Again, like I have been through the depths of postpartum depression and anxiety and know what it means to like feel so out of control in your head and have those reoccurring thoughts and fears that only get worse and worse and obviously, like I'm the queen of making sure, like nutrition and all, like, all of the components and support.

Speaker 2:

But what we also know is that this act of meditation, as you said in the very beginning, like scientifically, we know how powerful it is for the brain and helping our bodies get out of those patterns that feel so out of control 100% and I think that often when we feel like we're in those moments of just getting through for me, that's those really tough postpartum times and days where you just feel like you're in survival mode which you are in survival mode at that point and you feel like you know.

Speaker 2:

The last thing that I have quote time for right now is meditation, and I like to challenge that belief. First of all, studies tell us that we only need eight to 12 minutes a day of meditation to get the physical, mental, emotional benefits. And I know that you feel like you're in survival mode, but taking those eight minutes even if you do five great, it's going to set you up for so much more success and it's something that you know is not only going to make you feel better, but it's going to help you to show up as the mother that you want to be, like. We don't want to be snappy with our kids. I'm speaking from my own experience. Sometimes, you know what and I get this I'm a meditation teacher and I'm not immune to postpartum anxiety or sometimes, you know what, getting a little snippy with my kids Because again, I have a three-year-old and a one-year-old.

Speaker 2:

It happens, yes, it happens it, and the moment I do it, I get that instant regret and I can realize I was just dysregulated and I need to work on my regulation so I can show up and not only then co-regulate with my children but also be the adult, the mother, the person that I want to be in the room with my kids. And you know, when my two toddlers, you know they have that way of just bringing you, you're already like teetering on the edge of, like you know, I'm going to lose my marbles, and they know how to just give you that little nudge, that do that. One last little thing Even if you are a meditation teacher, toddlers can still do that too, I promise. But it's like it helps you to show up and that's what I had to remind myself time and time again when I felt like I'm so tired or, oh, I need to do this Right.

Speaker 2:

We also always have that hamster on the wheel of I should be, I need to be the to-do list. It's always running. But being able to take those few minutes, we know not only neurologically, is so beneficial, also physically beneficial. It's been shown to help with postpartum recovery, because people who meditate tend to physically recover, not just in postpartum but from any kind of major medical event, like tissues regenerate faster, things like that. It's also been tied to helping with things like boosting milk supply. If you think about it, if you're in that fight or flight and your body is in that protect, survive mode, it's really hard for your body to then be producing milk or having a letdown and things like that. Because it's protecting, it's guarding, and so we know that it helps with a lot of these other factors as well in just a few minutes.

Speaker 1:

I love this, I love this conversation so dang much. I was just thinking of a book that I was recently reading, which was not about meditation. It mentioned how oftentimes meditation is really a very masculine approach, and meditation in the way of cleaning our brain or cleaning our mind of zero thoughts because that was something that happened a long time ago. In a way, you think of hunting and gathering and things like that Men had to go out and they had to sit in the bushes for hours silently and they had to calm their mind, they had to calm their brain and they would do so by meditation with a clearing right, like there was nothing to think about, nothing to do. And even still to this day, you can go ask your husband like what are you thinking about? And they say nothing. And you're like what is that humanly possible? And I remember I like I've had this conversation, even recently, with my husband and he was like I don't understand, like it's serious, I like there's nothing, I'm not really thinking about anything right now, and it's like wow.

Speaker 1:

And I think sometimes that when we think about meditation, especially as women, we have this idea that in order to meditate successfully, that that means that there can't be a single thought that comes through our head. And so if we sit there for five to 10 minutes and you know, all of a sudden it's like, but is, is Susie actually sleeping? Darn it. I bet she's grabbing like that toy at night and it's a choking hazard and I better go get it. And then you're thinking, oh crap, I got to do dishes. Oh man, I got to be at so-and-so's practice and I didn't, you know, plan lunch in advance. You know, and like you're thinking of all of these thoughts that are coming through and I'm wondering I would love for you to speak on this about what it means to actually silence the brain. And is there other ways in which we can meditate, especially as moms with constant thoughts?

Speaker 2:

I love this question Also so relatable, just I truly. Yesterday I was sitting and trying to meditate. My favorite time happens to be thankfully, I still have a dual, you know, the baby is napping and the toddler is having some quiet time, so that little bit during the day is usually, you know, I can get my 10 minutes in. And then I just started. It occurred to me in the middle of meditation and I was like we have Ava's birthday party tomorrow and I have to get her a gift, and I don't know what four-year-old girls like right now. And that was the thing that popped into my mind in the middle of I mean, you know there's. It's like when you have your browser, which you know. If anyone could see my laptop right now I have my browser with about 9,000 open tabs, because I'm actively working on like 9,000 things at once or saving things for later, whatever it is. I have all these tabs open, and then the one that pops into my head during meditation is oh shoot, what am I going to get Ava for her birthday tomorrow? You know this because my son is finally becoming this age where we're getting invited to birthday parties. Yeah, yeah, and I'm like I don't. I don't know. What does you know? What do four-year-old girls like these days? I don't know, but it's those things like as moms that, yes, you do have. You always have those tabs open.

Speaker 2:

And I don't actually think of meditation as turning your mind. Again, we go to that light bulb. It's not about flipping the light on or flipping it off. When you're meditating, you are still going to have thoughts. You're not just magically turning the light switch off and then that's it. No thoughts come to you whatsoever. To me, that's not meditation. To me, meditation is learning how to detach yourself from your thoughts. I feel so strongly about this. I wrote a book called you Are Not your Thoughts, but being able to detach yourself from those thoughts or let them be there but not be all consuming. Detach yourself from those thoughts or let them be there but not be all consuming.

Speaker 2:

So I think of it as you take a snow globe. You shake it up and you look at that snow globe and, yeah, there's all these little white flakes all over the place. But as you start to sit and I wanna talk about some of my favorite practices, as you said, to do that, but it's more about can I get the thoughts to settle Like that snow globe, going back to kind of its you know natural state of the snow being down at the bottom instead of being in the chaotic. You know, I just shook it up state Because to me that's what mom brain feels like it's a snow globe and someone just jiggled it all around. And so I love to one shift my mindset around what is meditation? And once I think of it less as a light switch and more like a dimmer right, like sometimes maybe you're turning it up a little bit but we're working on kind of turning it down or turning the volume down on the thoughts instead of just deleting them altogether or shutting them off.

Speaker 2:

And then meditation is about observing your thoughts non-judgmentally, which to me I don't my ability to judge myself and also to experience guilt, like increased tenfold when I became a mom. I don't know what that's about, isn't that insane? I don't know if it's like biological or if it's, but like my ability to just feel bad about things, yeah, I've never experienced anything like it until I became a mom, and so that was one of the most useful tools I pulled out of my toolbox when I became a mom and still use every single day. Is this ability to observe your thoughts without judgment. And what this looks like for me and what I find to be really beneficial, especially for moms, in terms of meditation, is sitting. Maybe you set a timer for you.

Speaker 2:

What I find to be really beneficial, especially for moms, in terms of meditation, is sitting. Maybe you set a timer for you know, five to eight minutes you sit, take a few deep breaths. A few deep breaths actually signals to the body, to the nervous system. I'm safe, it's okay to unwind. So any kind of a big deep breath you know I like to do three of them any kind of breath great for the nervous system, quiets that kind of fight or flight response, even just a little bit. Also, there's really interesting information about how you can't learn when you're in that fight or flight response. When you're in an activated response, your brain cannot take in new information and start developing these new neurological pathways, like you can't learn when you're in fight or flight.

Speaker 2:

So, anyway, so calming that down a little bit so you can do some of this work, and then just doing a check-in, asking yourself what is my body feeling like today? And this is the hard part. We just observe whatever comes up, non-judgmentally. What is my heart experiencing today? We observe this non-judgmentally, so when things come up and say you know what I'm feeling sad. Or judgmentally. So when things come up and say you know what I'm feeling sad or you know what I'm missing my former life before I can't speak for anyone else I had an identity crisis when I became a mom and I thought, oh, my life is so different now. Who am I now, as I'm meeting this brand new person, kelly, as a mom? I've known Kelly as an individual, as a young adult, a child, a business owner, but I'm just meeting Kelly as a mom and so asking what is my heart experiencing today? And then ask yourself what am I thinking about? What's on my mind? And we're doing our best to just observe those snowflakes as they kind of move through.

Speaker 2:

And I find this to be such a powerful practice because it gives you so much insight into what's happening beneath the surface. And so, even for me yesterday, I'm meditating and all of a sudden, I start thinking about this birthday party. That gives me an invitation to then, after my practice, dig a little bit deeper and say why is this birthday party such a big deal to me? And the answer is it's because it's the first preschool kind of birthday party that my son has been invited to and you know I want him to make friends in preschool. But being able to just observe that thought and be like, wow, I'm really overthinking this four-year-old's birthday party. Why is that? And having the ability to just observe your thoughts without judgment it gets easier over time. It's very tricky at first. Just do your best about. How am I physically feeling? What is my heart experiencing, what am I thinking about, gives you so much information.

Speaker 2:

I also love a body scan, specifically to help you get out of your head and back into your body. I personally have never felt more disconnected to my body than after I gave birth and I'm like what is this? It's also something that's not my own anymore. I just took a body and made a human and gave life and now I'm feeding a child from this body and I'm constantly sharing it with others and it's needed by other people. And doing something like a body scan kind of a more somatic practice of returning to the body, for me was really beneficial to not only reconnect to my body but also to realize where I was, holding onto that tension and being like, oh my gosh, my shoulders have been like hunched up towards my ears for probably three days and it wasn't until I slowed down that I'm like, oh, I can just relax those. And it feels so good that then I really started to connect to my body and calm everything down.

Speaker 2:

And then my third favorite practice for the busy-minded mama out there is going to be a guided meditation, and we're talking any kind, doesn't matter the topic. You can just go on an app, go on YouTube insight timer. You know, if you want to meditate with me, head over to mindful minutes, whatever it is, and just find one where you're like six minute meditation for stress relief and just hit, play and do it. And it helps to take that mental load out of like what am I supposed to do? Am I doing it right? And just let someone walk you through the practice for a few minutes and then you're done. Those are like my three favorites for that, true, like postpartum or like motherhood experience.

Speaker 1:

I love that. I feel like guided meditation is really where it's at, especially for women to have somebody else in your ear, just like walking you through, and you're right, like in the very beginning, as you're learning, like it's a skill right, and you're not going to be excellent at riding a bike the first time you do it. Like why would you be? Why would that be the same for meditation? Right, it takes time, but as you do it, even for five to 10 minutes a day, like it can be again life-changing.

Speaker 1:

And I'd love to hear more about what it is that you provide. Like, you've got your, you've got an entire podcast where moms can go and providers could recommend, like specific tools, cause I know, as providers like we should never be hesitant to recommend meditation in the least bit, but it's really hard when you have like so many things to do and you're like, oh, I also recommend meditation. And mom's like, what, like? What are you? What are you talking about? Like, how am I supposed to do this? Like, here is a tool right To as a provider, to be like this is what I would recommend. Like on your own, go find this podcast, go find this resource, go find Kelly Smith, so that you can, you know, start practicing this and learning more on your own. Okay, tell us, tell us.

Speaker 2:

Well, first of all, any providers or anyone listening, if you say, go find Kelly Smith, thank you for doing that. My whole mission in life is I just want to make life a little bit easier for people, and especially moms, and for me, meditation has been like my life raft in so many of the stormiest seas I had meditation to help get me through, and so being able to share what I love and what's made such an impact on me with the people who are looking for it and needing it, that's like my life mission, so their life can get just a little bit easier. Even if it's just a tiny bit Like to me, that's like amazing. So I do have. I have two podcasts but the one there's one called Meditation Mama and that's all fertility, prenatal, postpartum and early motherhood guided meditations. The other one is called Mindful in Minutes. I've been doing it for seven years, so there's over 500 guided meditations over there. There's a meditation for everything but Meditation Mama. In particular, if we're looking for, like, postpartum support maybe even you know prenatal support, because sometimes we're kind of still postpartum and also pregnant at the same time or you know you never, you never know and so Meditation Mama is where you can go and find meditation specifically for that stage of life, and I would love to have people come over and join me there.

Speaker 2:

Otherwise, I have two books that I designed really with kind of women like us in mind. The first is called Mindful in Minutes Meditation for the Modern Family and it's how you can weave meditation into the family system, both starting with yourself and then how you can use meditation to support your children all the way into adulthood. And then my second book, you Are Not your Thoughts. It is a part book, part meditation journal and it's a eight-week guided journal to help support you specifically with anxiety through. And it's a eight-week guided journal to help support you specifically with anxiety through.

Speaker 2:

Daily. It's short. Every day should take you less than 20 minutes. Daily meditation journal prompts and a mantra for the day to help support you in reducing your anxiety. So that's something. I have an evening routine where I like to do some meditation and some free writing and then I like to reflect on like one positive thing before I go to bed, and so I've kind of encapsulated all of that and you are not your thoughts. So that's what I do and I would love to have anyone listening. Join me in any of those places.

Speaker 1:

And we absolutely have those links in the show notes. So please, please, please, take a listen, go, look, go explore and really have this in your repertoire. I know that you already have so much as providers and even as moms listening in. It's just, it's another really important tool in your toolbox. I only have the most important ones on here. I tell you, kelly, thank you so, so much for being here. Any last words of wisdom, maybe anything that you wish?

Speaker 2:

I asked that I didn't ask, no, nothing that I wish you asked, but one thing that I just want to remind any of the moms that are listening in. I want you to hear this and remember this that there is no better mother on this planet for your child than you. You are the thing. Since that baby was one, you know two little cells. All they have known for their safe and their love and their comfort and their nurturing is you, and in those moments where you're feeling lost or second guessing yourself or unsure, remember that you were built for this and there is no one on this earth better equipped to handle whatever you're going through as a mom and with your children than you.

Speaker 1:

I literally have goosebumps.

Speaker 2:

Thank you. I feel that in my soul, and so I just any moms listening or any providers who need to remind their women of that that there's no one on this earth that can do this better than you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1:

Thanks so much for being a part of this crucial conversation. I know you're dedicated to advancing postpartum care and if you're ready to dig deeper, come join us on our newsletter, where I share exclusive insights, resources and the latest tools to help you make a lasting impact on postpartum health. Sign up at postpartumu the letter ucom which is in the show notes, and if you found today's episode valuable, please leave a review to help us reach more providers like you. Together, we're building a future where mothers are fully supported and thriving.

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