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From Isolation to Collaboration: Building Your Postpartum Provider Community | Brooke Harmer EP 235

• Maranda Bower, Postpartum Nutrition Specialist

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In a world of fragmented perinatal, postpartum and maternal care, collaboration is a radical act of healing. 

This episode challenges the status quo by diving into a conversation with perinatal nutrition expert Brooke Harmer, who shares her own journey from feeling like an 'outsider' in the perinatal and postpartum space to becoming a sought-after collaborator. She offers a no-fluff guide to bridging the gap between holistic and conventional medicine. You will learn how to overcome the fear of rejection, build powerful partnerships with OBs, midwives, and mainstream brands, and elevate your role as a postpartum professional to create a more holistic care system for mothers.

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Key time stamps: 

  • 00:00: The radical idea of collaboration in maternal care 
  • 02:12: Brooke's personal journey to becoming a collaborative partner 
  • 04:15: Why fragmentation in postpartum care is a critical issue 
  • 07:33: The mindset shift from 'outsider' to 'trusted resource' 
  • 09:05: What to do when you feel invisible in your community 
  • 11:47: How to find common ground with conventional providers 
  • 14:50: The single biggest barrier to collaboration 
  • 21:20: The key players every postpartum team needs 
  • 23:45: Tactical steps to form partnerships today 
  • 26:38: How a nutritionist partners with OBs and PTs 
  • 29:10: The power of a shared mission for postpartum wellness 
  • 40:17: The mission of building a future of fully supported mothers

Connect with Brooke: 

Brooke Harmer is a certified perinatal nutritionist who empowers moms to take a proactive approach to their health through holistic nutrition and lifestyle habits. Her work blends scientific research with ancient wisdom to help moms work with their medical providers and their bodies to thrive during pregnancy and postpartum. She is the author of two best-selling cookbooks, host of a top 30 podcast, and has become a trusted voice in the mama community for all things health and wellness.

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Speaker 1:

The postpartum care system is failing, leaving countless mothers struggling with depression, anxiety and autoimmune conditions. I'm Miranda Bauer, and I've helped thousands of providers use holistic care practices to heal their clients at the root. Subscribe now and join us in addressing what modern medicine overlooks, so that you can give your clients real, lasting solutions for lifelong well-being. Hello, hello. Today, in this episode, we're going to talk about something a lot different than what we normally talk about, because, in a world where separation is the default, collaboration becomes a radical act of healing, and so today's conversation is one that I have been really looking forward to, because it speaks to something that's been heavy on my heart for years, which is the fragmentation in maternal care and how providers, especially those in holistic and alternative spaces, and how providers, especially those in holistic and alternative spaces, often feel alone and undervalued or shut out of mainstream collaboration. And I've seen firsthand how powerful it can be. When we bridge those gaps, when doulas sit at the table with OBs, when maternal health professionals align with midwives, and when community educators like co-create with pelvic floor physical therapists, like we can create better outcomes, yes, but more importantly, we can create systems of care that actually see and serve mothers, and yet so many of you have told me that you don't know how to start these collaborations. You're afraid of judgment, of rejection, of simply not knowing what you bring to the table, and that is why this episode matters. So, whether you're a provider, an advocate, educator or someone who wants to be a part of the solution, this conversation is going to help you understand why collaboration isn't just a nice idea, it's a necessary one, and how to actually make it happen in your own community.

Speaker 1:

So today we have Brooke Armour. She is a certified perinatal nutritionist who empowers moms to take a proactive approach to their health through holistic nutrition and lifestyle habits. You've already heard her on the podcast. I have been on her lovely podcast as well. Her work blends scientific research and ancient wisdom to help moms, with their medical providers and their bodies, to thrive during pregnancy and postpartum, and she's the author of two bestselling cookbooks. She's the host of the Top 30 podcast and she's become a trusted voice in the mama community for all things health and wellness. Brooke welcome.

Speaker 2:

Wow, what an intro. Thank you so much for having me. It's good to be back. Yes, well, let's start here.

Speaker 1:

What made you personally believe that collaboration was not only possible but really necessary in this field? Was there like a turning point for you?

Speaker 2:

You know, for me I realized that, as a little fish in a big ocean, it was probably never going to happen like seeing the change that I wanted, like in a perfect world. In my opinion, we would be more just, holistic minded in general and just the entire system would be different. But, as I'm sure you've noticed, you can't really overhaul an entire system when there's federal regulations in place and the you know the type of politicians change every four years and all these things, and it's just a lot. And that doesn't mean that change isn't possible. It just means we have to do it differently. And so I was racking my brain trying to figure out okay, how can I make a difference, how can I really get this change going without feeling like I have to go fight the government and like, overall, an entire system that's been in place for decades and decades?

Speaker 2:

And I realized what if I just started small and started to work with people who knew me personally in my local area and brands that trust me as an influencer and really tried to collaborate that way to blend their expertise and my expertise and then provide a super solution for moms, where they're not feeling like they have to choose conventional or crunchy. They're not feeling like they have to choose between traditional and alternative medicine. They're kind of getting the best of both worlds and they're getting leading experts in both fields that are working together saying, yes, we can actually find a solution that does both, and then it also lends. It also lends an opportunity for expansion, I think as well.

Speaker 1:

I just got goosebumps because, as you're talking, I think you're really hitting on a personal nerve right now, because I feel oftentimes I'm constantly asking, like, am I doing enough? Am I making big change in this world? Because you're right, like the political scene, this massive, huge system that runs everything that we do, like are we actually making shift and are we actually making change? I'm hearing you say, like I started here and you are witnessing that change Like, can you share a little bit with everybody what changes in your community and beyond are you seeing that you've been able to do because you've collaborated with others?

Speaker 2:

It's really cool. I think the one that I'm most proud of is the collaboration with my personal OB's office. I moved here as a military spouse at seven months pregnant and so I was transitioning providers in the middle of a pregnancy and I was just looking for an OB and I actually went to a different OB's office when I moved here to El Paso and had the absolute worst experience at a doctor's office that I'd ever had and I walked out and I was like I will never step foot in this doctor's office again and so I ended up going to this other OB, really, really loved him. I loved that he was open to some of my alternative ideas of how I wanted to take care of me and my baby and we were able just to work together as doctor and patient and I have now had two babies under his care and over the years of just being his patient and asking questions and requesting labs and sharing things that I've been learning in my own journey as a practitioner, it's really kind of opened his mind to different ways of approaching prenatal care.

Speaker 2:

And so just a couple months ago, right before I had my third baby, I asked him if he had an extra five minutes to just look at a project I'd been working on and I showed him my postpartum recovery cookbook that had just been published and I showed him what it was about and the science behind it and shared that this is how I was going to be taking care of my body and that I felt like this would really be empowering for his patients because, as I'm sure you know, obs don't really take over postpartum.

Speaker 2:

But he still cares about his patients and he wanted to find a way to serve his patients within the bounds of the federal government and the limitations that he had.

Speaker 2:

And so by building that trust as his patient and kind of just, you know, experimenting here and there with my own medical care, he gained a sense of trust with me and then learned that I was a practitioner and now I'm working with his office as a contractor to serve his pregnant patients If they have nutritional concerns, if they have prenatal complications like gestational diabetes or hypertension and we don't want it to turn into preeclampsia, things like that I'm kind of working as a consultant with him to help him say hey, if you have a patient that has this history, we can run these labs in first trimester and take action now so that hopefully we don't have this complication in second and third trimester and supporting him that way, and they're also going to be selling my cookbooks in their lobby for mamas to just walk up and say, hey, I wonder, and then be able to take that resource home with them. So that's probably been my favorite collaboration that I've been working on. That really started just as me being a patient.

Speaker 1:

That's incredible and super exciting, and it sounds like it really matters who you're partnering with. Right, because this person was somebody that you liked. Obviously, it was somebody that you thought could really care for you and your baby. You chose him as your OB Whereas, like, the previous office that you went to was like an absolute no right. And so what made you decide, like, okay, this person was worth like exploring and looking into, versus the other person who was just like I'm not going to even waste my time because I get this all the time Like, how do I know if this person like I'm going to call them up because oftentimes, right, like if we're in the field, we're not necessarily their patients first, what are we going to do when we pick up that phone or when we stop in that office? Like, what are we going to ask them? How are we going to know if this person is somebody that we really want to partner with versus absolutely not?

Speaker 2:

I would ask if they are open to different solutions to the same problem and also just like doing things differently. The first OB that I saw when I moved here, when I came into their office, I think I was like 28 weeks or something, and because we were in transit between like 24 and 28 weeks, I hadn't been screened for gestational diabetes yet, and so when I showed up to their office, I walked in and they basically said you will be doing this here, we will be doing this test, you will be having a pelvic exam, like they just basically told me what was happening. They didn't ask if I had had anything done. They didn't ask if I wanted anything. They didn't ask for my consent. It was basically just it felt like they were bossing me around and then when I said, actually I would like to talk about my testing for gestational diabetes and if there's an alternative that you're comfortable with that also feels aligned with what I want for me and my baby, she was just absolutely not. This is the only way that we can do it. This is the only way. That's been blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and it was just like it felt like there was just a big wall in front of me and you could just tell by her demeanor how she was responding. She felt very defensive when I was genuinely like trying to have an open ended conversation. I wasn't trying to boss her around and say I know better than you even though you're the doctor.

Speaker 2:

So I think, as practitioners and providers, when we're trying to collaborate, I would just kind of get a sense for how they react when you ask questions or when you try and spark a conversation around something that maybe hasn't been talked about in nuance very much. If they feel defensive, if they feel closed off, they're probably not going to be open to your suggestions because they're stuck in their ways and that's how they want to do their practice and that's fine. But when we're trying to collaborate, we want to find someone who still honors the training and the experience that they have and feels comfortable with that and is also open to other ways of supporting the training that they have. And I'm going to say that one more time to make sure that we're on the same page.

Speaker 2:

When we want to collaborate, we're not trying to override or necessarily change the status quo. It's more coming at them and saying I would like to support you. Here's how I can offer support. It might be different than what you're expecting, it might be different than what you learned in medical school, but here's the evidence, here's the science, here's how I can support you, here's how we can work together. Not here's how I want to change what you've been doing or here's why what you're doing is wrong. Let's do it different, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that. I think that's really, really key, because oftentimes when we go see specialists or when we go see somebody who's you know an OB, right, we're there for a very particular reason, like, whatever it is, they make us feel safe Maybe we have a high risk pregnancy, whatever the case may be and so we want to honor that. Those education and trainings that they possess is really, really key, and, of course, they're never going to respond to you if you think that you're better than them, right, and of course, they're never going to respond to you if you think that you're better than them, right. Like, one of the things that I love to do and I have like an ongoing list of people in our community that like really work well with women is based on the mom groups, right, like you go to a mom group and you know like people will talk, they talk, everybody has something to say, and it's like our local mom group and we'll say, hey, I'm looking for an OB or I'm looking for a midwife, and then all of these people will come in and say, go to this one, right, and they have a long list, and so by the time you're done, you have a list of amazing people that people had really great experiences with, that you can go connect in with and then oftentimes what shows up is a long list of people who you should never go see right, and you can always connect in with them and be like, hey, what was your experience here? And then reach out to you know the provider that you're wanting to partner with and be like, hey, this is.

Speaker 1:

I see that you've helped so many women in our community which would be open to having a conversation, and that's been a really great lead in for me as somebody who is not like an expert or professional as a nutritionist and who doesn't go to you know, I have, I've had my four kids a long time ago. I'm I'm done having my babies, but like you don't have that, you know that connection with them right away. I'm really curious with you Did you have to have any like mindset shifts to go from like your position? I mean, you've worked with OB offices, pelvic floor PTs, even national brands, right, and so was there a mindset shift that you had to go from like I'm the outsider and maybe feeling invisible or maybe small in your community to like, hey, I am somebody here that you really want to collaborate with. Was that something that you had to go through I?

Speaker 2:

think so I don't, and most of my life I always felt like I've been living in the shadows and I kind of had to prove myself. And because I'm not a registered dietitian, like I don't have a master's degree, I'm not, you know, traditionally trained in that sense it's certificates and specialty training and alternative training and all of that. And sometimes it's really hard for people to take me seriously because I have different credentials than what they would expect when collaborating with a professional, and so I've kind of had to get out of my head a little bit and say, instead of trying to prove that I'm the best, I just need to show that I provide value in a way that's beneficial to this company or this brand. So, for example, with my pelvic floor PT office, they don't need a registered dietitian. That is like working one-on-one with clients, because that's not what their patients are coming in for.

Speaker 2:

However, if moms are having a hard time with certain things, I can offer holistic advice of hey, have you tried collagen? Hey, have you tried magnesium? Hey, try this as you prepare going into birth, or this would be a great way to support your pelvic floor recovery after giving birth. You know, I don't have to be the best after giving birth. You know, I don't have to be the best, I just have to know more than the person that I'm serving and I have to have an area of expertise. That's not what the other company or brand has and that's the value that I provide. So I did kind of have to make that shift of okay. I'm not trying to compete and I'm not trying to, like you know, be like better than everyone else. I just need to have something different that is of value.

Speaker 1:

I love that so much and I'm wondering, like can you paint a picture of what a dream collaboration care would look like? Just based off everything that you said, I'm wondering, like who's at the table? What are they each bringing to this table to support moms better?

Speaker 2:

like in terms of um, like a care team for a mom, like in all aspects of her health, or like someone that I, that I have yet to work with, like somebody that you are wanting to work with and collaborate with, like what makes it look really good or feel really good to you of like when you're teaming up with someone.

Speaker 1:

Like you've already talked about the OB, maybe share another example of somebody that you work really closely with that makes you like the dream team collaboration, like this is what's on the table, this is what you're bringing, this is what you're bringing in. Like heck, yes, now we've got this amazing collaboration and this is what we're doing for moms.

Speaker 2:

Right now I'm actually doing my dream collaboration. Right now I'm working with a nationally recognized brand who has large scale manufacturing available, is already partnered with nationally recognized functional medicine doctors who are helping create their supplements, and I am collaborating with them to to sell my cookbooks in their storefront but also create a postpartum care package that includes my product. So I'm expanding my own product line and getting that visible to more people. But I'm also helping a very specific audience of theirs by saying, hey, these are supplements and these are products that you already have, that you already sell. Let's change the marketing on that so that this very specific group of people which is a very big group of people that follow you young moms that are having babies, that care about their health understand how to use your products in a very specific way at a very specific time in life. So what we're doing right now is we are creating a postpartum package where it's got their protein powder, their electrolytes, I think, two very specific supplements that they sell, and then my postpartum recovery cookbook and you can buy all of that as a bundle going into postpartum so you know exactly how to use their products to support you as the mama, and then you have my recipes to put everything in action.

Speaker 2:

And it's been really cool to see how I didn't have to go find a manufacturer, I didn't have to go create my own supplements. I didn't have to reinvent the wheel. I didn't have to go create my own supplements. I didn't have to reinvent the wheel. I just had to kind of tweak my message a little bit and help them see, hey, there's a demographic of people that follow you that are already buying. You don't have to convince them to buy your products. They're just asking the questions of hey, now that I've had my baby, what products are best for me? I still want to buy from you. I just don't know what to buy from you. And then I came in and said guess what? Here's my expertise. Here's exactly what these moms are asking for. Let's put it all together and here's how I can come in and help make it even better.

Speaker 1:

I think one of the most beautiful things about that is that those people that end up buying your stuff under this company right, they're going to walk away feeling so much better and then that company itself and you both are going to get the spotlight for that right, they're going to go share with their friends and their family and they're going to feel so much better. And that's the end result is that we want moms to feel really good in their body so that they can mother in the way in which they want to, right, and so we're raising this next generation. But also, like they get to walk away with having, like, better health outcomes for their clients, like that's a huge win. And I see that so often with people who partner with like. I see this often with midwives in particular. Like most of the time, legally in the US, they're only allowed to provide care for that first six weeks, and so they're like, okay, let's get chiropractic care, pelvic floor, physical therapy and nutrition, and when they get a lot of those things in for a mom, she's going to walk away from that first six weeks feeling so deeply grounded and supported and cared for and have everything that she needs so that when that midwife can no longer provide that care, that mom is going to be like oh, but I'm great, so I feel so good, right.

Speaker 1:

I think one of the big challenges and I don't know if you've experienced this too in some way is that oftentimes we have such fragmented care, right, which is one of the reasons why we want to come together and work together, so that a mom is not having to go to a pelvic floor physical therapist and then schedule an appointment with her nutritionist and then she needs to go schedule her massage and then she's got to go to the chiropractor, right, and then you have, like it becomes a full-time job just to manage every single one of those appointments.

Speaker 1:

And so if we can find a way like oh, and mental health care, right, like if we can find a way to like blend and merge all of those components together so a mom isn't having to like retell her story and to be seen multiple times by different people and to really need, like a whole care team to like help her travel to each and every single one of these, right, like that feels so crazy in and of itself, like I think that has been such a one of the bigger problems that I see in terms of, like that fragmented care and the collaboration of coming together. Like how can we do this, maybe in one space? Or, you know, I don't, I don't know. Like there's still so many new nuances that we still have to figure out, but I also see it as being a problem that needs to be discovered and figured out as well. Like, do you see that too?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's exactly why I am in the process of creating an app, a revolutionary app that is the first of its kind that solves this solution, because, like you said, it is a full-time job, trying to schedule all the appointments, retell your story every time and then also get yourself to all of these different places with however many kids you have in tow, and then also to afford all of that care. For me personally, I needed a lot of support this time around, and my husband and I literally had to sit down and pick and choose. Okay, of the five people that we think we need for my health, right now we can only afford two of them, so which two are we going to do first? And then, when we finish the care with those two people, then maybe we can move on to the next ones on our list. Like, I've experienced that firsthand. And so what I'm doing is it's going to start out as a membership on my website while I'm in the process of creating a mobile app, but right now I'm creating this membership where you have access to the education and the support on demand in your own little portal, and I'm gonna have guests come in and do workshops and training videos where maybe it's not one-on-one and it's not a 12-week program where you can go every single week, but it's enough information that you can take action right there, right then, in your own home on your own time and actually like get that process started and then also answer all of your questions so that you know what questions to ask when you go to your provider.

Speaker 2:

Because that's the other thing that I recognized with moms is we recognize that we need help, we want to advocate for our health, we recognize that we need help, we want to advocate for our health and we want the support of all these different practitioners.

Speaker 2:

But sometimes we don't even know what questions to ask, and so that's where we get stuck is we're like okay, like I'm trying, but like I don't know where to start. I don't have enough general information to like actually get the ball rolling. So my membership is focused completely on mom. It's not talking about the size of your baby, it's not talking about what foods to eat for baby's development. It's talking about what your body needs at this point in time during pregnancy and postpartum recovery. And then it's got studies and research and links to different providers and workshops from all these different specialists that I'm going to bring in that, give you that care that you need right then and there, and then, if you still need help, there's going to be directories and ways to connect with providers near you, knowing that you already have a baseline knowledge and you know what questions to ask and how to actually get your foot in the door.

Speaker 1:

I was so, so hoping that you were going to bring this up, because this sounds absolutely incredible and we talked about it, actually, very briefly on the last podcast that we recorded and I was like, okay, you like tell me how to support you in this, because this is huge, this is really up and coming, and I think the next step in that we really need to bring together all of these providers which sounds like you're doing like this is a very collaborative effort, not only just between providers, but also between the moms, right, like bringing them to the table to like here, have a seat here and let's talk about how we can support you and your body and like all come together to make this happen for you and give you the tools and the knowledge and all of the things and give you a safe place where you can ask all of the questions, because, let's face it, there's a lot of information that I think moms need that they never, ever get and oftentimes don't even know that they need until they're already in the throes, right. And so this is just such a beautiful thing to be able to offer that all in one encompassing place, and it makes me think about. I'll tell you a story. I don't know. I don't think I've ever told this story, but when I first started, 15 years ago, I had partnered with a midwife and I had partnered with a chiropractor in our local community and our vision was to create a space where moms can come to give birth, but also so big birth center, but also that they could stay for postpartum care for up to one year plus.

Speaker 1:

Right, we were doing our best, we were working with what we had, and so they would be able to come get massage in one office. They would be able to have massage in one office. They would be able to have. We would have childcare on site so, like you, would be able to go to your massage session, you would be able to go take all of these courses on postpartum care or infant care, like you know, whatever it is, pregnancy, whatever and have childcare on site, to be able to go see your chiropractor, a pelvic floor physical therapist, like all of these components, all of these people all here in one beautiful space and you would never have to leave, right, Like you could give birth and go through this process.

Speaker 1:

And so, anyway, I tell that story to tell you that we had created and developed a huge. I probably still have it somewhere. It was like a whole business plan. We were going through all of the motions, we were talking to the local community and by the time we were done and we were looking okay, what do we need? It was over a million dollars to get that started. Oh my goodness, it was over a million dollars to get that started.

Speaker 2:

Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1:

It was over a million. And then one of the gals, the chiropractor that we were working with, she was hoping to fund a lot of it and then she ended up getting pregnant and so it kind of all just like fell apart, like nobody had seen that before, like nobody had, and so, like going to banks to try and get it like it was. It was massive, it was a huge project and it kind of fell flat and it was very, very sad, but it was a vision that we held for so long. I was like certain, like this was going to happen and this was going to be my life right, like this would be everything for me. But what a beautiful thing that you're doing, like bringing that all together in this more technological world right, where not necessarily you have to show up, which is really really difficult, but you can find what it is that you need right here on your phone, which is where I think our world is going on and the next generations are going, more so than anything. So, yeah, this is, this is super exciting.

Speaker 2:

I am so, so, so excited and like what you just described was literally my dream. I was like if I could, like do anything, I would have a giant office that had all these different practitioners all in one place and there's a little playground and there's, um, you know, a snack section and blah, blah, blah for the kids. Like that's my dream. And then you're like, oh wait, but I have to replicate that in like every city. How do I do that? And I was like, well, you just do it virtually and then you scale it down to where it's not quite the one on one individualized care. That was obviously like in a perfect world, but it's enough that moms feel like they're getting the help that they need to kind of like get the ball rolling and then they know where to go and what to ask for if they still have problems.

Speaker 1:

That is. It's incredible, like I, I just love everything that you're doing. This is absolutely amazing work. You know, one of my dreams, too, is that and it wouldn't be here I don't think I've ever shared this publicly, and maybe I shouldn't, I don't know but I would have postpartum university and then, you know, working with providers, but then I would also have another company that's working directly with moms, again Like because that is my forefront, and like bringing in those local community meetings, and so I can absolutely see where, like an app and the community meetings would be like a beautiful blend together, but that's like way down the line. That's not now.

Speaker 2:

But it's trying to.

Speaker 2:

It's trying to find those ways to like do what you can like in your local area, right?

Speaker 2:

So, like I'm collaborating with my pelvic floor physical therapist to do like a Saturday morning walk in workshop kind of a thing, where it's like a four hour block and any of the patients can come in, you know, meet with a pelvic floor physical therapist and then also like throw ideas at me and ask me questions and say, hey, like throw ideas at me and ask me questions and say, hey, how can nutrition support my pelvic floor? And just kind of like have that opportunity to just come in for free and get the support that you need on your own time. That's obviously like a really small scale way of doing it, but it's just finding those little ways to just insert yourself where you can, when you can. That, I think, makes such a big difference and just really trying to show your community, hey, like everyone is uplifted when we work together. Like, if we can just find a way to work together, your patients will be better off, your business will be better off, my business will be better off. Like it literally helps everybody.

Speaker 1:

I saw a bumper sticker the other day in passing and it said if you want to change the world, go home. And I thought, oh my God, like, how profound is that To be? Like go home, go like work with, be with your children, right, go spend one-on-one time with them. Like, work through your own stuff, like I could. There's so many things that could come from that statement. But like, be in your community. Like, make change. And I always tell people like, you never know who you're going to connect with in that moment, right, you might end up connecting with somebody who works with you know, a multi-million dollar company who has massive changes in what you're doing. Or maybe you're working with a daughter or granddaughter of somebody who has political, you know moves or something, and they see the value that you're bringing. And then they, they make change, they, they see something. And they're like, yes, I'm going to. Now I want to stand for this, right, Like I saw so many.

Speaker 1:

I had home births, for example, and my parents thought I was absolutely insane, Right. And now my mom and my dad are like the most biggest, sometimes most annoying, advocates for home birth, right. And so they're like anytime, somebody in their right. And so they're like anytime somebody in their life gets pregnant, they're like oh so you're going to have a home birth. Have you ever thought about a home birth? Do you know what a home birth is like? You know, and it's like you never. You never know like, and that's just a really small scale example, right, but maybe maybe that happens or occurs to somebody who's like in a position of power who can make those political shifts or systematic shifts or changes that we so desperately need, or maybe you just save a life like. That's doable and possible too.

Speaker 2:

So you never know.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, beautiful Brooke, this has been amazing, as always, which is why you and I continue having these conversations, and we were just talking about having you on again in the spring. So, yeah, that's also very exciting. I love, love connecting in with you. Where can others connect in and learn more about who you are and what you offer?

Speaker 2:

You can find me at thewellnourishedmama underscore on Instagram and then my website. My podcasts are thewellnourishedmama underscore on Instagram, and then my website and my podcast are thewellnourishedmama. And then, depending on when this episode goes live, my membership will be live September 9th and hopefully that will be transitioning into a mobile app in early 2026. So stay tuned for the mobile app, but the membership will be live by the time this episode goes live. So if you're a practitioner listening and you've been looking for ways to offer additional support to your patients or your clients outside of your office hours, that's evidence-based and rooted in holistic care, my membership is the place to send your people and then we can find ways to collaborate from there. I would love to talk with you and work with you.

Speaker 1:

Ah, that's amazing. We'll have all of your links in the show notes. And yes, please, please, take a look at Brooke and all of the amazing things that she has. She's a wealth of knowledge and she's certified through the postpartum nutrition certification program. So you know, you know, know, she's good. Thanks for having me. Thanks so much for being a part of this crucial conversation. I know you're dedicated to advancing postpartum care and if you're ready to dig deeper, come and join us on our newsletter, where I share exclusive insights, resources and the latest tools to help you make a lasting impact on postpartum health. Sign up at postpartumu the letter ucom which is in the show notes, and if you found today's episode valuable, please leave a review to help us reach more providers like you. Together, we're building a future where mothers are fully supported and thriving.

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